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Thursday, October 27, 2005

145. THE JAY HANSON SOLUTION: MILITARY JUNTA

Jay Hanson is fruitcake-in-chief of the peak oil die-off movement. He is founder of the website "dieoff.org", and is well known for his theory that we are all going to die from peak oil because human beings are genetically stupid. Jay has been on the cutting edge of peak oil for years, and, like the true-blue American he is, is now advocating that we forget about "rights", and install a military dictatorship in the U.S.:

I would like to engage as many of you as possible in a FRIENDLY analytical
discussion about "realpolitik" (practical politics). In order for this
discussion to bear fruit, posters are going to have to set aside
"ideologies" and beliefs about "rights". We might as well start thinking
about life without current ideologies and rights, because sooner-or-later
they will be replaced by a military dictatorship -- it's just a matter of
time.

From a strictly analytical standpoint, our society has the potential to feed
and water it's people on a tiny fraction of the recourses is presently
requires. For example, the food sector of our society tries to fatten
people up, while the medical sector tries to deal with the health problems.
Why not simply eliminate restaurants and advertising by the food sector?
The US today is composed of a hundreds-of-thousands-of-special-interests all
burning resources trying to pull society in different directions.

While a drastic (by a factor of 1000?) reduction is resource consumption can
not eliminate an inevitable world war sometime in the future, it could delay
that war by decades. Moreover, if a military dictatorship is inevitable
anyway, I believe that the sooner the better.

Consider the following two basic types of political systems: "process"
politics and "systems" politics.

As the name implies, process politics emphasizes the adequacy and fairness
of the rules governing the process of politics. If the process is fair,
then, as in a trial conducted according to due process, the outcome is
assumed to be just -- or at least the best the system can achieve. By
contrast, systems politics is concerned primarily with desired outcomes;
means are subordinated to predetermined ends.

The time has come to replace our current system of "process" politics with a
new "systems" politics. It must be administered by most-qualified entity we
have: the Joint Chiefs (and obviously many more details I haven't considered
yet).

Considering the alternatives, what do the rest of you think of this idea?
(Remember to be PRACTICAL. Forget about "rights" and "ideologies".)

JaySource
Peak oil is a hall of mirrors, isn't it? On the one hand, you can join up with Dick Cheney and the cynical status quo crowd who want to run the country as a military dictatorship. Or you can join up with the hip, green, counterculture peak oil people like Hanson, who want to run the country as a military dictatorship.
--by JD

10 Comments:

At Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 9:53:00 AM PDT, Anonymous Adenosine said...

A military dictatorship is not going to happen any time soon in the USA. The reason? The 2nd amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. They have that thing in there for a reason.

 
At Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 11:04:00 AM PDT, Blogger James said...

The right to bear arms, or the right to arm bears? :P

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

 
At Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 11:40:00 AM PDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think enough people have guns for it to make a difference, and even if more people did the military would still have better everything (machine guns, armor, heavy weaponry...) The citizens of the US could not stand against a military dictatorship.

I don't think it'll happen either, though, because enough of our government will oppose it at any cost, and enough of our military will be too smart to turn against citizens.

 
At Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 11:54:00 AM PDT, Anonymous Adenosine said...

We can't controll Iraq as it is. Iraq is 437,072 km^2, the USA is 9,631,418 km^2. If the people went into open rebellion, where would we get enough troops to squash it?

Heavy weaponry is good for winning normal wars, but you need numbers to win against an entire populace.

 
At Thursday, October 27, 2005 at 12:44:00 PM PDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, good point. They could still make life very unpleasant though, and probably get the majority to surrender. Americans are used to an easier life than Iraqis.

 
At Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 4:06:00 AM PST, Blogger Big Gav said...

I noted in my own post on this that Jay has gone off the deep end entirely but I think you're being rather disngenuous to suggest that all peak oilers share this view - I haven't seen a single blog or post anywhere that even remotely agrees with this sort of thinking...

 
At Friday, November 25, 2005 at 11:51:00 PM PST, Anonymous Anonymous said...

very good.
but is too late , to solve it .
it will solve itself.
My we live in interesting times, will come to pass.

 
At Friday, February 22, 2008 at 4:47:00 PM PST, Blogger briechel said...

We will definitely run out of fossil fuel and other non-renewable resources. My only question is WHEN? I am 78, in excellent health (knock on wood) and want to live long enough to see what happens. It is going to be exciting, to put it mildly.
I have worked all my life as a successful engineer, thinking that I was doing good for humanity. But now I see that I was just a foot soldier in the Industrial Revolution. The revolution that let to the un-restrained consumption of non-renewable resources and the mindless population explosion.
Bernd Riechelmann

 
At Tuesday, April 15, 2008 at 11:31:00 AM PDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One thing Jay Hanson is right about is that as a species we did not evolve to survive only by means of cooperation but rather by means of competition. Thus as times get hard, the competition and confrontation will increase and to bring order we will have to enforce cooperation. The majority will follow because they will be too frightened to do otherwise. The dictatorship doesn't need to use the military power to control everything. In fact propaganda plays a role even more important than military might in establishing a successful dictatorship. If propaganda could be used to turn the majority of Americans into supporting the coming dictatorship, their guns will be used to control the minority that is against this dictatorship. We already had historical precedents: Russian Bolshevism and European Fascism/Nazism. Both in the beginning were at the political margin with a limited military power, but both were able to build successful totalitarian dictatorships for a while. And if it was not for the cheap oil and over consumption capitalist society to face them and subvert them they’d be with us until now.

 
At Friday, September 7, 2012 at 8:34:00 AM PDT, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay's drivel rests on a view of evolution which is starting to lose ground within the scientific community. Humans actually become rather co operative and altruistic in a crisis. If you want a realistic forcast of the common years, read Paul Gilding's new book

 

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